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Probate Investing: Getting Inside the Mind of the Executor

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By Sharon Vornholt

Today I want to talk about getting inside the mind of the executor. Most people know that probate investing is my favorite real estate niche of all. This group of sellers is very motivated to sell any property in the estate. Once you can understand the seller’s viewpoint, it’s easy to see that investors provide a much needed service to anyone settling an estate.

Who Is In Charge?

The terms executor and administrator are interchangeable. The term personal representative refers to either of the above. So what’s the difference?

The executor is named in the will by the deceased. In this case the deceased has specified who they want to be in charge of their estate. In the absence of a will the court will appoint an administrator. Both the executor and the administrator (also referred to as the PR or personal representative0 have the same duties and legal responsibilities. That person is the decision maker, so that is the person you ideally want to be in contact with regarding the sale of the property.

There are times however when one of the heirs will be the one to show you the property. This is generally because the personal representative isn’t available. Maybe they live out of town or they can’t be there for some other reason. This isn’t unusual, but you need to be aware that they cannot legally sell the property unless the heir is also the executor or administrator.

Get in the habit of asking the person contacting you if they are the executor. If they say no, ask what their relationship is (family member, heir etc.), and ask who the executor is and get their contact information.

The Typical Investor’s Mindset

If you ask the bulk of the investors out there why they aren’t working in probates, they will tell you that they feel uncomfortable since the property is being sold due to a death. Many will say they don’t know how to talk to those sellers; they don’t know what to say. Sometimes they will say probate investing is just plain “creepy”.

The truth of the matter is, these are just regular people that have a problem. They have an estate to settle that involves selling property. This whole process can be very confusing to the executor or administrator. They aren’t familiar with the terminology or the timelines. In addition to settling the estate, they have their own lives to get on with. They have jobs, families and other responsibilities. The last thing most of these people need is an unwanted property they have to sell. When you can show up as the expert, they will be so thankful for your help.

Once you understand your role and how you can help those folks selling the property, it’s easy to get inside the mind of the executor and understand how they feel and think.

Why do they put off Selling the Property?

There are two main reasons.

One is being overwhelmed. The executor is being pulled in a lot of different directions. Often times they just don’t know where to start. The other reason is all the “stuff” in the house. They have to decide how to dispose of all the personal belongings. I can tell you from experience that this is a gut wrenching experience.

Those were the deceased’s treasures. They were things they loved in many cases, but they have little if any value to the family. Family members will choose keepsakes, pictures and heirlooms and then there is … the rest of it. The family has to decide what to keep and what to dispose of. There can be a lot of guilt in the mind of the executor and the family members when it comes to disposing of personal belongings.

When you can step in and offer to finish this job for them you have just solved a huge problem for the executor and the heirs.

That is what investors bring to the table where estates are concerned. A solution to a problem that allows these folks to get on with their life.

Remember that in most cases they don’t want the property. They just want to sell it, settle the estate and move on. When you can help them do that, it changes everything for the seller. That’s why having a clear understanding of their viewpoint makes your job as an investor so much easier.

Finding Deals Through Probate & Eliminate Your Competition!

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By Jimmy V. Reed

No matter who and where I have taught, the Million Dollars question has always been “how do you find a Deal”? Cause folks, without a deal, its just real estate. It doesn’t matter what area of investing you are in whether its buying, selling, or holding, it will always comes down to the numbers and do they work. So my goal is to show you what I believe is one of my top five ways to get a deal, and that is probate.

Probate is a guaranteed source of real and personal assets. We don’t always like to talk about it but there are two certainties in life, death & taxes and both are involved in probate. Our objective is the real assets i.e. real estate property that usually through a death ends up in a situation where taxes are due. It has always amazed me that 70% of Americans do not even have a will. While the other 30% do they may still own it in their name which means it is still going to go to probate.

I always encourage other investors to hold real estate in some sort of entity to avoid the probate process. This is why my partner and I decided to create a how-to training book on finding deals through probate. Our program is “The Hidden Treasures and Profits of Probate” In this book we teach 7 ways to buy probates.

The basic process to them all is getting to the Executor before anyone else can. The Executor is the person in charge of probating the will. They actually are now the seller who must satisfy not only the will but also the taxes owed on the estate or on the property. Most people with a will usually make a big mistake by making a relative or a friend their Executor. This is where we come in as Problem Solvers.

We help them by buying the property at a cash discount. In doing so we solve the tax situation and take the property as is solving the problem of having to repair it so it can sell. I can only give you the basics here, but in our manual we go in step by step details for all 7 methods of buying probates.

Remember the basic process is getting in and tracking down the Executor, and then the inventory lists, then we get the contact info. Then it’s off to the tax office for the assets to be tracked down. From there we use our tracking form and pre written letters to start the initial process of making contact. Once contact is made we use our conversation form to ask the right questions. Once we have all our info its time to make an offer. Understand the main goal of the offer is to offer just enough cash out of pocket to satisfy the courts and any debts. We can get very creative on the purchase price, what matters to the Executor is getting the money owed for taxes and removing the problem from them to you.

I hope this can open your eyes to the possibilities of doing what others won’t, yet it is a very simple and easy process to do in the Probate arena. And most of all, out of the 4 million probates in the courts right now, you would be approximately one of only 5% of investors out there who are working them.

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Jimmy V. Reed

Jimmy V. Reed of Fort Worth, Texas has been investing in real estate since 1987. In 1991, he started conducting full-day training sessions on Wholesaling. He then began teaching and mentoring others throughout the country. He is currently the founder of the Fort Worth Real Estate Club www.1REclub.com and has his own real estate training company that includes Wholesale, Probate, Mentoring & a Biblically based Debt Free training course and more!

More info available at www.JimmyReed.net

Finding Residential and Commercial OPTIONS in PROBATE REAL ESTATE

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By Leon McKenzie, U.S. Probate Leads

Whether you are new to the probate business or consider yourself an experienced professional, there are times when you need to take a step back and make sure that your business model isn’t missing a potentially profitable option. Probates, with their deeply discounted prices and motivated sellers, can provide opportunities that you simply can’t find elsewhere. These properties exist in a wide variety of formats, from small residential properties, to dream homes to office buildings, and even strip centers and warehouses. There are many ways to find residential and commercial options in probate real estate.

WHY CHOOSE PROBATES?

In thinking about probate real estate, it is important to understand why so many investors are now specializing in this industry. While there are many options in real estate if you choose to become an investor – everything from foreclosures to working with traditional buyers and sellers – there are few areas that offer the deeply discounted prices and flexible terms that can be found in probate work.

The selling of probate real estate and other property is handled by a court appointed representative, called an Executor. This individual can be a family member, trusted friend or professional, such as an attorney or an accountant. As part of their responsibilities, they have to find buyers for the property that was left behind by a family’s loved one. The proceeds from these sales go to not only the family members, but to pay taxes, court costs, medical bills, funeral expenses, and other items such as past due credit card charges. This property needs to be dealt with in order to pay for these financial obligations.

The process to buy or sell a probate home is much the same as many other types of properties. Brendan DeSimone said, “In a probate sale, the property is marketed just like any other property. The probate attorney or the estate representative will hire a local real estate agent, sign a listing agreement, and show the property, just as they would a traditional listing. Generally, the list price is based upon the listing agent’s suggestions as well as an independent appraisal ordered and issued by the court.” During a private sale, there would be no court oversight, but in a probate sale, there is a need by the Executor to quickly find buyers and get the property sold. This is one reason that the pricing can be so flexible in probates. Additionally, if the Executor lives out of state and tires of coming back to deal with estate issues, they may be willing to take a lower price on a property if the terms are favorable and allow them to wrap up the probate more quickly.

WHY LOOK AT BOTH RESIDENTIAL & COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE?

What many investors don’t appreciate is that there are far more options in probate real estate than just single family homes. While there are many investors that specialize in residential real estate, there are also ways to profit in commercial land and buildings.

Residential real estate has some obvious advantages. There is more demand for residential homes; and therefore, it is easier to find properties that may fit your investing profile. Investing in a single home is also more affordable as the price point for a residential property is generally less than the investment in a commercial property. Luba Muzichenko writes, “Probate sales are ‘as is’ sales, and… the estate does not have to disclose anything about the property. Does that mean you have to make an offer on the place blindly? Not a chance! You have every right to fully inspect the property. Bring a contractor, bring a friend, bring an architect, bring your mother! It doesn’t make a difference who you bring, just be sure to bring them BEFORE you write your offer. Also, one thing to keep in mind… with your offer, you will have to submit a cashier’s check for 10% of your offer price, payable to the estate.”

There are cases where you can have the property professionally inspected. Everything depends on the laws of the state that you are working in, the terms of the probate and the desires of the court. As you are learning the probate business, take the time to find a mentor who can help you to understand the process of a probate sale. Part of that process is the submission of earnest money. This deposit is traditional in any real estate transaction and applies to both residential and commercial real estate. The amounts in commercial real estate would obviously be higher due to the increased purchase price.

While some investors focus on residential real estate, there are options in commercial properties as well. In fact, one of the most profitable areas in probate is working with commercial real estate. The researchers at Inc., said, “Buying commercial real estate is a complex undertaking that is difficult even for experts to time right to maximize their investment value, let alone entrepreneurs or business executives whose areas of expertise are in different industries. It’s also a venture rife with risk, as buyers, sellers, agents, and renters alike can suffer the consequences of a dip or spike in demand. At the same time, for a business, on the upside the potential rewards can be substantial.” If you are interested in a “substantial” reward, as the authors indicate, then commercial might be for you.

What kind of commercial properties might you find in a probate? If an individual owned a business or was a real estate investor and held them personally, then the properties may end up as part of the estate that is being handled by the court. These properties may include everything from apartment buildings to undeveloped land, strip centers, office buildings, stores, restaurants, warehouses, industrial properties, doctor’s offices and medical facilities to malls and hotels. There is a wide variety of buildings that are considered commercial property with an equally wide range of pricing. Each of these properties has advantages to the investor depending on what your long term goal might be.

One of the best advantages in business property is the increased income potential that is present in commercial real estate. Matt Larson said, “The best reason to invest in commercial over residential rentals is the earning potential. Commercial properties generally have an annual return off the purchase price between 6% and 12%, depending on the area, which is a much higher range than typically exists for single family home properties (1% to 4% at best).”

Knowing that there are both residential and commercial options in probate real estate investing is one thing. Finding them is something completely different.

HOW TO FIND OPTIONS

Probate real estate investors have discovered that there are key ways to find out about residential and commercial options. Here are a few of the ways:

  • USE A LEAD SERVICE. There are professional services that are available that can give you the information you need in order to pursue properties in probate. While you could go to the courthouse yourself and look through documents to try to identify which leads are worth pursuing, you can save yourself a lot of time and frustration by having a lead service deliver that information right to your email. These services are both economical and helpful in that they provide information you might not otherwise find on your own.
  • REAL ESTATE AGENTS. You can work with a real estate agent in order to find a residential or commercial property. Said Muzichenko, “Most probate sales end up listed in the Multiple Listing Service (MLS), but those that don’t are listed on the BlueSheet, which can be found at the California Superior Court in San Francisco. Of course, if you are a buyer working with a REALTOR® that knows you are interested in probate property, your REALTOR® will do the searching for you.”
  • CONTACT PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIELD. As your business develops, you may want to work with local estate attorneys or accountants. They would have firsthand knowledge about properties that may become available due to a change in family status. Building a relationship with them and offering them a finder’s fee can be a great way to add to your portfolio.

THE BEST WAYS TO FOLLOW UP

Once you do find a property that you are interested in pursuing, the next step is to follow up. Generally, probate investors have found that a professional letter directed to the Executor is a good way to start the conversation.

There are several critical components to your communications with an Executor. A short introduction of who you are and why you are contacting them is a good way to start. Adding information about what you do and how you can help them may spark some interest. Inserting a comment about how you found their information, such as, “Your property was listed as part of a search I was doing through public court documents,” will help them to understand that you are simply contacting them to see if they are interested in selling their home or commercial property. Make sure to add in all of your contact information, including your email, website address and cell phone number so that they can reply to your letter.

Understand that an Executor may not contact you after one mailing. Plan to follow up every thirty to forty five days for a period of about six months. These repeated mailings to residential and commercial Executors will help establish you as a serious investor and will be respectful of the many steps that these administrators have to take to close an estate. When someone does reply to a mailing, call them back right away. Once they have made contact, they are clearly ready to have a conversation, so promptness is key.

Finding the best options in residential and commercial probate real estate is a blend of knowing what you are looking for and reaching out into the community. While residential real estate may have a lower sale price, it may also not yield the same rents and income that a commercial property might. Take this into consideration when deciding about your next property.

For more personalized advice, call the team at US Probate Leads. We offer a professional lead service that can get you the most up-to-date, viable leads for the counties that you work in and provide additional support. We offer a wide range of tools that includes communications software, ebooks, webinars, seminars and even an individualized mentoring program. When you are ready to take your business to the next level, call (877) 470-9751. We can give you more information on how we can help you build your probate real estate business.

Key Do’s and Don’ts of Probate Leads: How to Find Motivated Sellers

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By Kristine Gentry, VP of Innovation, US Probate Leads

As the real estate market continues to tighten, successful investors are diversifying their lead streams and trying new sources. One of the most underutilized sources of leads are probate leads. Why are they underutilized?

Primarily because people do not understand the opportunities that are available or how to quickly and easily obtain probate leads. In addition, some investors do not know what to do with probate leads once they have them. If you are considering using probate leads to increase your opportunities, or if you already have probate leads, below are some tips for helping you make the most of your leads.

What Are Probate Leads?

Probates leads include information on property that is part of a legal filing after the death of a loved one. These cases include many types of property owned by someone who has passed away including homes, vacation homes, cars, RVs, businesses, commercial property, rental property, artwork, and other personal property. These cases are listed in each county after the death of a loved one where a probate needs to be filed and are controlled by the local court.

Oftentimes, this property has to be sold in order to pay for medical, tax, legal, and funeral expenses. The court will assign an Executor to handle the sale of the property so that these obligations can be met and the heirs can receive any remaining funds.

As part of an overall investment strategy, probate leads are valuable because they come with very motivated sellers. Executors need to deal with the property that is in the probate filing in order to meet the court requirements. Many times, they need cash in order to pay bills that have been left after the passing of their loved one.

Often, they do not live near the inherited property and simply want to sell it as quickly and easily as possible. If they know the property needs updates, they may not want to have to deal with that hassle and would rather sell the property at a discount. In addition, since they inherited the property, anything they make on the property is extra for them so they are less worried about getting maximum value for the property.

Probate properties may be available for thirty to fifty percent off of the market price and are generally available for a quick closing. So, probate leads are a great way to diversity and increase your lead source. But once you have probate leads, what do you do?

Probate leads are not like all other leads and should be treated differently. Do offer to help the executor/heir. Remember they have recently suffered a loss and are grieving. Since probate leads are generated when probates are filed in a local courthouse after a death, it is necessary to be especially warm and considerate when speaking with executors and heirs. They have recently gone through a very tough time and are probably overwhelmed with the loss of their loved one as well as all the legal and financial issues they are faced with as the executor of the estate.

For some executors/heirs, the last thing they have the time or energy to deal with is a recently inherited piece of property. They may not live near the property and may not have the time to take care of basic issues with the house. For instance, suddenly having another yard to maintain can seem daunting.

You can help by offering to mow the lawn, trim shrubs, or water plants. Sometimes the heir or executor simply need someone to talk to. You can be that friendly person they can speak with. Offer condolences and let the executor or heir take the lead in how much they want to talk about their loved one. Simply asking what they need help with can go a long way. Do continue to reach out to the executor/heir. One mailing or phone call will not be enough.

Unlike other leads sources, it is hard to know when will be the right time to reach out to an executor or heir. In some cases, heirs want to sell property as fast as possible. They may be ready to sell quickly so they can move on. In other cases, heirs are reluctant to sell their loved one’s property.

They may hold onto it for months before feeling pressured to do something with the property. We have learned that it is important to regularly reach out to executors and heirs and recommend doing so for at least a year. Sending a mailer or making a phone call every other month is a good timeline. The important thing is for the executor or heir to have your contact information available when they decide they are ready to sell.

Do be honest about how you can help and why it is beneficial to you both. Executors and heirs have a lot going on. They will know that you are interested in making money and not just a stranger who showed up to help out of the blue. It is best to be honest and explain that you make money by purchasing properties below market value, fixing them up, and reselling them. And that it might be helpful for them to sell you their property below market value so that they do not have to deal with the hassle of fixing up a house to sell and then listing it.

Remind them that you can help them get cash quick, but there are no guarantees of how long it would take for the house to sell at full value.

This is a win/win situation for you and the executor or heir, and you should be up front about that. Don’t forget about historical leads. Heirs often don’t sell right away. New users of probate leads often think that the leads have a short time on the market. However, that is not the case. Generally it takes some time for Executors to get all of the paperwork filed and to go through their loved one’s things before they are ready to sell.

There is also the process of grieving, which can cause Executors to hold onto a property for a time before they are willing to sell it. With these parameters in mind, real estate investors who are looking at probate leads will find that Executors who are selling property may not be ready to sell for twelve months after the filing. In many cases, the leads are still viable eighteen months after the passing of a loved one. This allows for plenty of time for real estate investors to make contact with the Executor. Therefore, a successful probate investing practice should include the usage of historical leads. Don’t try to get leads on your own. Purchase them from a reputable source.

Many investors have attempted to gather leads themselves from courthouse records and quickly grew tired of the painstaking and time consuming process of doing so. Now, there is no need to gather these records on your own. Several companies provide probate leads for you. Most specialize in only a handful of counties – often counties where probates are available online. However, some companies have researchers trained to go to courthouses where these records are not available online, which is the case for the vast majority of counties.

U.S. Probate Leads is a family-owned company that has been in the probate business for over 15 years. We have more experience and offer high-quality ads that include skip tracing for executors and addresses.

Don’t waste your time gathering probate leads. Instead, contact us to learn about why our leads are the best on the market. Get Access to Probate Leads Today. Using probate leads is a great way to find more leads in your area as a real estate investor. With long-term viability and Executors that are motivated to sell, you will see that probates are a way to quickly find discounted properties.

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– Article By Kristine Gentry, VP of Innovation, US Probate Leads

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